Wer kann es mir übersetzen ?

[H&K Schütze]

Ich habe hier zwei Patronenschachteln aus dem Ostblock für Patronen im Kal. 8x57. Wer kann mir die Beschriftung übersetzen ?

Vielen Dank, Mike

[KESSELRING]

Links ist Jugoslawische Ball, FMJ

z.B.
Metak = Hülse
3PHOM = grain


Die rechts mit dem grünen Streifen kann ich nicht explizit zuordnen.

[Travis]

Servus Mike, Kessel,

das ist beides jugoslawische Munition - also kein Ostblock Die rechts ist Leuchtspurmunition M70
für den M48 Karabiner oder das M53 LMG. Die Geschossspitze müsste grün eingefärbt sein.

Da steht: 15 Stück, 7,9 mm Patrone - gekennzeichnetes Geschoss M70 - Messinghülse ohne Magazin

Auf dem ersten Foto kann ich trotz Sehkraftverstärker das zweite Wort in der dritten Zeile nicht
genau erkennen. Das könnte "teskim" (schwerem) heißen?
In der ersten Zeile das zweite Wort heißt: puscani (übersetzt soviel wie gelöst, lose ...)

Dann steht da: 7,9 mm lose/gelöste (?) Patrone, 15 Stck., mit schwerem (?) Geschoss,
Pulver "PB" Ser. 9/49

P.S. Caura ist die Hülse. Metak ist die Patrone. Zrnom heißt wörtlich übersetzt Korn (grain).
Gemeint ist hier aber das Geschoss.

Gruß

Travis

[Matthias Horner]

nach Meinen Unterlagen müsste das Zweite Wort Gewehr bedeuten, also :


7,9 mm Gewehr Patrone, 15 Stck., mit schwerem (?) Geschoss,
Pulver "PB" Ser. 9/49

Sind aber noch Unterlagen aus "KFOR-Zeiten"........dementsprechend ist die Kopierqualität

[KESSELRING]

Btw: Zur Jugo Mun

Ф Н 24….. Ball…CNCS…no primer seal…(JM)
Ф Н 24….. Ball…CNCS…Blue primer seal…(JM)
Ф Н 24….. Ball…GMCS…Green primer seal…3-stab primer crimp…(JM)
Ф Н 24….. Blank…Natural color wood point bullet…No primer seal - loaded in Yugoslavia…(JM)
Ф Н 24….. Ball, FP GMCS with copper ball in tip, no primer seal…(JM)
Ф Н 25….. Ball…CNCS…Blue primer seal…(JM)
Ф Н 25….. Ball…CNCS…Black primer seal…3-stab primer crimp…(JM)
Ф Н 25….. Blank…Natural color wood point bullet…No primer seal - loaded in Yugoslavia…(JM)
Ф Н 26….. Ball…CNCS…Blue-black annulus…417.0 gr
Ф Н 26….. Ball…GMCS…Green primer seal…3-stab primer crimp…(JM)
Ф Н 26….. Blank…Natural color wood point bullet…No primer seal - loaded in Yugoslavia…(JM)


КРЉЕВСТВО СРБА ХРВАТА И СЛОВЕНАЦА
(KINGDOM OF THE SERBS, CROATIANS AND SLOVENES)
ROYAL ARSENAL, KRAGUJEVAC

С Х С 28………….Ball
С Х С 29………….Ball…CNCS bullet...369.7gr

ARTILJERISKO TECHNIKI ZAVOD, KRAGUJEVAC

А Т 3 30……..Ball…CNCS bullet…Green annulus…414.8 gr
А Т 3 30……..Ball…GM…Green primer seal…(JM)
А Т 3 30……..Tracer…Red tip CNCS bullet…Red annulus & mouth band
А Т 3 31……..Ball…CNCS bullet…Violet red annulus…411.1 gr
А Т 3 31……..Observation…Chrome tip GMCS bullet…Black annulus …378.8 gr
А Т 3 32……..Ball…CNCS bullet…Violet red annulus…417.7 gr

VOINI TECHNIKI ZAVOD, KRAGUJEVAC

В Т 3 32……..Ball…CNCS bullet…Violet red annulus…417.1 gr
В Т 3 33……..Ball…CNCS bullet…Violet red annulus…413.9 gr
В Т 3 34……..Ball…CNCS bullet…Violet red annulus…416.7 gr
В Т 3 35……..Ball…CNCS bullet…Violet red annulus…417.1 gr
В Т 3 36……..Ball…CNCS bullet…Violet red annulus…414.5 gr
В Т 3 37……..Ball…CNCS bullet…Violet red annulus…412.6 gr
В Т 3 38……..Ball…CNCS bullet…Violet red annulus…418.3 gr
В Т 3 39……..Ball M14/SS…CNCS bullet…Violet red annulus…416.5 gr
В Т 3 39……..GMCS bullet, violet primer seal…(JM)
В Т 3 40……..Ball M38…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…418.0 gr
В Т 3 40……..Ball M38…GM bullet…Dark purple annulus…411.6 gr.
В Т 3 40……..Ball M38…GM bullet…Dark blue annulus
В Т 3 41……..Ball M38…GM bullet…Black annulus…409.9 gr

FABRIKA ORUZJA MUNICJE UZICE

Ф О 40……….Ball
Ф О 41……….Ball

FACTORY CODE 11 (PRVI PARTIZANKI ZAVOD, TITOVO UZICE, SERBIA)

* 11 * 48……..Ball…GMCS bullet, violet primer seal (JM)
* 11 * 48……. Ball…GM bullet, violet primer seal (08/13/11)
* 11 * 48……..dummy…GMCS bullet…case red plastic filled with 6 holes,
………………..bullet has 1 tiny anchor hole showing red plastic, primer pocket filled with red plastic (JM)
* 11 * 48……..Blank, natural wood pointed bullet, 2-stab primer crimp (JM)
* 11 * 48……..Blank, natural wood pointed bullet, double set of primer crimps (6) (JM)
* 11 * 49……..Ball…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…408.0 gr
* 11 * 49……..Blank, natural wood pointed bullet, 2-stab primer crimp (JM)
* 11 * 50……..Ball…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…410.6 gr
* 11 * 50……..dummy…GMCS bullet…case red plastic filled with 6 holes,
………………..bullet has 1 tiny anchor hole showing red plastic, primer pocket filled with red plastic (JM)
* 11 * 50……..dummy… Snapped primer. 4 holes in the case. Case neck has v-shaped cuts (likely filed in with
……………..triangular file) and then filled up with solder to secure the projectile. (AD)
* 11 * 51……..Ball…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…414.1 gr
* 11 * 51……..Blank, natural wood pointed bullet, 2-stab primer crimp (JM)
* 11 * 51……..dummy… Snapped primer. 4 holes in the case. Case neck has v-shaped cuts (likely filed in with
………………..triangular file) and then filled up with solder to secure the projectile. (AD)
* 11 * 51……..dummy… No primer. 4 holes in the case. Case neck has v-shaped cuts (likely filed in with
………………..triangular file) and then filled up with solder to secure the projectile. (AD)
* 11 * 52……..Ball…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…410.0 gr
* 11 * 52……..dummy…GMCS bullet…case red plastic filled with 6 holes,
………………..bullet has 1 tiny anchor hole showing red plastic, primer pocket filled with red plastic (JM)
* 11 * 53……..Ball…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…400.9 gr
* 11 * 53……..dummy… Snapped primer. 4 holes in the case. Case neck has v-shaped cuts (likely filed in with
………………..triangular file) and then filled up with solder to secure the projectile. (AD)
* 11 * 54……..Ball…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…3-stab primer crimp
* 11 * 54……..Ball…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…Ring primer crimp…406.2 gr
* 11 * 54……..Ball…GMCS bullet, violet primer seal, odd, 4 semi-circular primer crimps. (JM)
* 11 * 54……..STEEL CASE (no added headstamp markings for "steel") - GM bullet, violet pr seal (JM)
* 11 * 55……..Ball…GMCS bullet, violet primer seal, odd, 4 semi-circular primer crimps. (JM)
* 11 * 55……..Ball…GM bullet, violet-red primer seal, 4-segment ring primer crimp…403.5 gr. (08/13/11)
* 11 * 55……..Ball…GM bullet, violet-red primer seal, ring primer crimp…405.6 gr. (08/13/11)
* 11 * 55……..Observation “EZ”…Chrome tip black GMCS bullet…Red annulus & mouth band
……………….4-segment Ring primer crimp…German WWII B-Patrone bullet
* 11 * 55……..AP-T “PO”…Black tip GMCS bullet…Black annulus & green mouth band…369.8 gr
……………….4-segment Ring primer crimp…German WWII S.m.K. L’spur bullet bullet
* 11 * 55……..AP (?) Yellow Tip GMCS bullet, four semi-circular primer crimps (JM)
* 11 * 55……..Dummy, normal red-plastic filled type (PM)
* 11 * 56……..Ball…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…4-segment Ring primer crimp…408.8 gr




FACTORY CODE 12 (IGMAN ZAVOD, KONJIC, BOSNA I HERCEGOVINA)

* 12 * 52……..Ball…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…410.6 gr
* 12 * 53……..Ball…GM bullet…Violet red annulus
* 12 * 54……..Ball…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…3-stab primer crimp
* 12 * 54……..Ball…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…4 wide primer crimps
* 12 * 54……..Ball, GM bullet, violet primer seal, ring-type primer crimp (like US .30-06) (JM)
* 12 * 54……..Ball…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…wide ring primer crimp…409.8 gr (08/13/11)
* 12 * 54……..Ball…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…narrow ring primer crimp…412.7 gr (08/13/11)
* 12 * 54……..Ball, GM bullet, green primer seal (JM)
* 12 * 55……..Ball…GM bullet…Violet red annulus
* 12 * 55……..Tracer M54…Green-tip GM bullet…Green annulus & mouth band

IGMAN ZAVOD, KONJIC, BOSNA I HERCEGOVINA

И К 1958….Ball M49…GM bullet…Violet red annulus
И К 1958….Ball, GM bullet, green primer seal only, no other seals or colored markings, 3-stab primer crimps (JM)
И К 1958….Tracer M54…Green-tip GM bullet…Green annulus & mouth band…394.4mm
И К 1961….Ball M49…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…418.4 gr
И К 1964….Ball M49…GM bullet…Violet red annulus
И К 1964….Tracer M54…Green-tip GM bullet…Green annulus
И К 1965….Tracer M54…Green-tip GM bullet…Green annulus…391.3 gr
И К 1971….Ball, GM bullet, violet primer seal - very small headstamp letters
И К 1971….Tracer M70…Green-tip GM bullet w cannelure…Green annulus…403.5 gr

61….Ball M49…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…clandestine “SIFRA 110”

I K 1968….Ball M 49… GM bullet…Violet red annulus… 415.6 gr
I K 8x57JS….198 gr. FMJ GM bullet…Red orange annulus…Ring primer crimp…412.8 gr
I K 8x57JS….170 gr. GM soft point bullet…Ring primer crimp

(i in circle logo) – 8x57JS -….170 gr. FMJ GM bullet…Red orange annulus…Ring primer crimp
(i in circle logo) – 8x57JS -….170 gr. FMJ GM bullet …Ring primer crimp


PRVI PARTIZANKI ZAVOD, TITOVO UZICE, SERBIA

ППУ 1957….Ball M49…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…405.0 gr
ППУ 1958-Ч.Ball M49…GM bullet…Lac. steel case…Violet red annulus…398.4 gr
ППУ 1957….Tracer M54…Green-tip GM bullet…Green annulus & mouth band
ППУ 1958…. AP-T “P(H)”…Black tip GMCS bullet w/green band…Black annulus
………………German WWII S.m.K. L’spur bullet bullet…370.0 gr
ППУ 1959….Ball M49…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…413.7 gr
ППУ 1960….Ball, GM bullet, violet primer seal. (JM)
ППУ 1961….Ball, GM bullet, violet primer seal. (JM)
ППУ 1961-Ч.Ball M49…GM bullet…Lac. steel case…Violet red annulus
ППУ 1962….Ball M49…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…415.9 gr
ППУ 1962….dummy, red plastic filled (JC)
ППУ 1963…Ball, Dummy,..Orange red plastic filled case & GM jacket w/holes - 6+1…291.6 gr
ППУ 1963….Dummy, normal plastic-filled type, but plastic appears black to eye. When held to strong
………………light, it is actually a very dark translucent red. (JM)
ППУ 1963….Dummy, normal red-plastic filled type (PM)
ППУ 1967….Ball M49…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…409.2 gr
ППУ 1967….Ball M49…GM bullet…Red orange annulus
ППУ 1967….Blank, brass case, gray plastic RN bullet (JM)
ППУ 1967….Dummy, normal red-plastic filled type (JM)
ППУ 1968….Ball M49…GM bullet…Red orange annulus
ППУ 1970….Ball M49…GM bullet…Red orange annulus…410.8 gr
ППУ 1971….Blank, Steel, M69 (JM)
ППУ 1971….NUPE case (JM)
ППУ 1972….Ball, GM bullet, red-orange primer seal (JM)
ППУ 1972….Blank, Steel, M69 (JM)
ППУ 1973….Ball M49…GM bullet…Red orange annulus…409.5 gr
ППУ 1973….Short range with all lead (or all lead that can be seen) RN bullet.
……………..Bullet has slight shoulder at case mouth (JM)
ППУ 1973….Blank, Steel, M69 (JM)
ППУ 1973….Dummy, Bare steel, No Primer. No holes. (JimM)
ППУ 1974….Blank, Steel, M69 (JM)
ППУ 1975….Ball, GM bullet, red-orange primer seal (JM)
ППУ 1976….Sniper M75…GM bullet…Lilac annulus
ППУ 1976….Blank, Steel, M69 (JM)
ППУ 1976….Dummy, normal red-plastic filled type (JM)
ППУ 1977….Ball M49…GM bullet…Red orange annulus…408.7 gr
ППУ 1977….Blank M69…2.78” Lac. steel case w/4-petal mouth crimp
ППУ 1977….Dummy, normal red-plastic filled type (PM)
ППУ 1978….Ball M49…GM bullet…Red orange annulus…409.8 gr
ППУ 1978 - Sniper ball with lilac PA (JM)
ППУ 1978….Practice M76…GM conical bullet w/aluminum core/tip…Red orange annulus
ППУ 1978….Dummy, normal red-plastic filled type (PM)
ППУ 1979….Ball M49…GM bullet…Red orange annulus…409.9 gr
ППУ 1979….Sniper M75…GM bullet…Lilac annulus
ППУ 1979….Blank, Steel, M69 (JM)
ППУ 1980….Ball M49…GM bullet…Red orange annulus…411.4 gr
ППУ 1980….Sniper M75…GM bullet…Lilac annulus
ППУ 1980 - Dummy, normal plastic filled type but plastic is orange, not red (JM)
ППУ 1981-Ч.Ball M49…GM bullet…Lac. steel case…Red orange annulus…390.7 gr
ППУ 1981….Short range, aluminum tip pointed bullet (JM)
ППУ 1981….Blank, Steel, M69 (JM)
ППУ 1982….Ball M49…GM bullet…Red orange annulus…362.2 gr (no powder)
ППУ 1982….Ball M?…GM bullet w/ sS type ogive… 402.4 gr
ППУ 1982…Ball, Dummy,..Orange pink plastic filled case & GM jacket w/holes - 6+1…291.6 gr
ППУ 1982 - Ball, Spitzer GM Soft Point, Green Primer seal (JM)
ППУ 1983….Ball M49…GM bullet…Red orange annulus…411.4 gr. (08/13/11)
ППУ 1983 - Sniper ball with lilac PA (JM)
ППУ 1983….Blank, Steel, M69 (JM)
ППУ 1984….Sniper M75…GM bullet…Lilac annulus…403.4 gr. (08/13/11)
ППУ 1985….Sniper M75…GM bullet…Lilac annulus…404.5 gr. (08/13/11)
ППУ 1985….Ball M49 High Pressure T-II…Black-tip GM bullet…Black lacquered primer
ППУ 1985….Practice M76…GM conical bullet w/aluminum core/tip…Red orange annulus…234.2 gr
ППУ 1986….Short range, aluminum tip pointed bullet (JM)
ППУ 1986….Grenade M60…Brass case w/rosette mouth crimp
ППУ 1986….Blank M69…Lac. steel case w/4-petal mouth crimp…188.0 gr
ППУ 1986….Blank M69 Innert…Lac. steel case w/hole & 4-petal mouth crimp…Pierced primer…165.1 gr
ППУ 1987….Sniper M75…GM bullet…Lilac annulus…409.1 gr
ППУ 1987….Dummy Short Range with pointed GM bullet, lead tip (JM)
ППУ 1988….Sniper M75…GM bullet…Lilac annulus…410.3 gr. (08/13/11)
ППУ 1988….Practice M76 innert…GM conical bullet w/aluminum core/tip…Red orange annulus…Hole in case
……………...Pierced primer…195.2 gr
ППУ 1988….Practice, Indoors M80 innert…GM conical bullet w/lead core/tip…Red orange annulus…Hole in case
……………...Pierced primer
ППУ 1988….Dummy short range with pointed GM bullet, lead tip (same as above?) (JM)
ППУ 1992….Sniper M75…GM bullet…Lilac annulus…407.8 gr
ППУ 1993….Sniper M75…GM bullet…Lilac annulus
ППУ 1995….Sniper M75…GM bullet…Lilac annulus
ППУ 1999….Sniper M75…GM bullet…Blue annulus
ППУ 1999….Blank M69 Innert…Brass case w/6 holes & 4-petal mouth crimp
ППУ 2003….Blank M69…Brass case w/ 4-petal mouth crimp…Red orange annulus & mouth seal…204.1 gr.
ППУ 8x57….Spitzer FMJ GM bullet, green primer seal, 175 grain bullet (JM)
ППУ 8x57….Blank M69…Brass case w/ 4-petal mouth crimp…Red orange mouth seal…200.7gr. (2006)
ППУ 8x57 SIEC…Ball, Dummy, No Holes…GM bullet…Red orange annulus…372.2 gr
ППУ 8x57 JS…Ball, Pointed SP GM bullet, green primer seal. (JM)
ППУ 8x57 JS…GM RN SP bullet w/cannelure…Green annulus…421.3 gr
ППУ 8x57 JS…Dummy, SP RN GM bullet with 1 knurled cannelure, green primer seal, snapped primer,
…………………no powder - 1988 SHOT Show (JM)
ППУ 8x57 JS…Dummy, SP RN GM bullet with 1 knurled cannelure, green primer seal, one hole in case,
…………………round (concave) primer cup

Cal.7.9MM PP-65….Dummy, normal red-plastic filled type (PM)
Cal.7.9MM PP-65….Ball M49…GM bullet…Violet red annulus …405.4 gr
CAL.7.9mm PP-66….Ball M49…GM bullet…Violet red annulus …412.1 gr
CAL.7.9mm PP-66….Blank…Natural wood pointed bullet…Lacquered steel case…186.2 gr
CAL.7.9mm PP-66….fired case…Lacquered steel case
KAL.7.9mm PP-YU….Ball, GM bullet, violet primer seal (JM)
KAL.7.9mm PP-YU….Sniper M75…GM bullet…Green annulus…414.0 gr
KAL.7.9mm PP-YU….Lacquered Steel Case, Blank, pointed plain wood bullet (JM)

PPU 8 x 57 JS …Ball, GM SPRN bullet with one knurled cannelure on bullet, green primer seal (JM)
PPU 8x57 LZ…Ball, Dummy,..Orange plastic filled case & GM jacket w/holes (AD)

59….Ball M49…GM bullet…Violet red annulus…clandestine “SIFRA 127”
59….dummy with red plastic inside and holes drilled

usw usw usw

[Travis]

nach Meinen Unterlagen müsste das Zweite Wort Gewehr bedeuten, also :


7,9 mm Gewehr Patrone, 15 Stck., mit schwerem (?) Geschoss,
Pulver "PB" Ser. 9/49

Sind aber noch Unterlagen aus "KFOR-Zeiten"........dementsprechend ist die Kopierqualität

Servus Horner,

du hast Recht puštani von puštati heißt lose, gelöst .. und puščani von puška heißt Gewehr.

Jetzt hamwas

Gruß

Travis

[H&K Schütze]

Ich bedanke mich recht herzlich für eure Mühen und Antworten. Nun sind wir wieder etwas schlauer !

Mike